Here's where the fun got even more exciting. Going in I had high hopes for rogue and Callaway definitely lived up to their claims. I saw distance gains as well as better dispersion. But biggest surprise came in terms of launch and spin. Here we go!
John took my current driver and got some specs and we began identifying the clubs in my bag and what I was looking to get out of them. Currently my irons stop at xforged 6i so we started there. We discussed Xforged UT vs rogue hybrid. Decided due to start with UT 27* and work off that. Spin was great. My carry for 6i is 170 so we were happy to see carry of 180-185 for UT. Works perfectly for gapping. We decided to go with rogue hybrid for next club since my preference was to have longer gapping so we tried rogue 5h (24*). Spin was controllable but launch was higher than I expected. Currently I play epic * hybrid so I'm used to the bonded hosel but it doesn't launch anywhere near was in seeing with rogue. I expected the higher launch and spin to adversely affect the yardage but to my surprise it didn't. I was seeing 200 yd carry and about 15 yd roll out. Great numbers for what I want. Normally here is where I get caught up. Going in I was open to everything. Nothing was off limits. Here was the test; the hybrids I had were shafted with stock shafts in 60g weight and regular flex aldila syngery. I was blown away by how the feel and load of the shaft played such a bigger part of the equation in the hybrids than I was accustom to. We switched up hybrids to try a stiff shaft and while the numbers were identical for launch spin and yardage, feel which can make or break a club, played the deciding factor. We would go with regular flex in the 5h and repeat the same process for the next club we tried......
So we have UT 27* dialed in. Next gapping was complete with rogue 5H. Progressing nicely but I'm noticing a trend and decide to not fight it. So John asks me where I want to draw the split from hybrids to fairways. We discuss potentials such as ease of launch vs spin and distance gapping. Where do I need a club vs what I realistically can achieve. We decide to try the rogue 3h and it's long!!! I'm seeing 210-220 carry with no regard for roll since we're going to compare against a fairway for carry. Launch and spin are perfect and it's fitting gapping perfectly. Couple more shows and we switch to a stiffer shaft to test numbers. Once again numbers are identified as similar but slightly off by 2-3 yards. Nothing major but I begin to notice I'm driving the club into the ground more than with the previous shaft. We switch back and once again the numbers don't lie. Here's where the fun got kicked up a notch; there's a rogue 2H there and we decided to give that a try off a tee. the numbers were eye opening. 235-240 carry. Just total crap for me off the deck so nothing numbers wise there but the piercing flight off the tee with the carry numbers had us changing up the discussion because we only had one spot left to test for and that needed to be a fairway. The discussion had switched from 3h vs 5w/heavenwood to now 3h from the deck and 2H from the tee.… oh forgot to mention one small thing; we were testing hybrids using regular flex in all samples. That had to sink in for me. Regular flex 2H/17* hybrid flying farther carry than my current 3w. Man it awesome.
So lastly we get to trying to identify a fairway for me. We started with rogue 15* and weren't seeing spin numbers that we liked. Too high for the launch I was producing. Looking like 15* with 4500 spin. So enter rogue SZ 15*. That lasted 3 swings. Right of right is all I can say about that. Back to rogue we went. Tried heavenwood. Last 2 swings. That's out. So we bring back the 2H and both are giving 235 carry but spin was too high on fairway. Since I decided to go with rogue 3h I asked for another option. John tells me he has a choice and hands me the 13.5/3+ rogue. Off the deck I'm drop kicking it 220. Horrible but it's 13.5* so I ask for a tee. That's when it came alive. Perfect launch and 3200-3400 spin. That settles it. 13.5 for solely off the tee was the choice. One minor detail. Shaft was 50g stiff.
Now that everything else was done that only left the driver. My epic was ready and so was I. Now if you're familiar with callaway's marketing campaign you've heard their message of getting fit with provide you with the proper set up to maximum your drives. Turns out they weren't wrong. Recently, thanks to a contest here on thp I was the lucky one to receive one of THCE testor shafts modeled after the Project X evenflow blue profile. It's been a learning curve with it. Evidently I'm done studying because on the monitor the numbers I was getting were great. 145-150 balls speed. 260 carry 280 total yardage. Not bad. So we start with rogue in stock form. Nothing crazy but spin was high. Attributing that to shaft choice we install the THP THCE testor into rogue and the numbers start coming into range. Here where it gets close. Ball speed was similar. Launch was close (within 1-2*). Dispersion tighten with rogue but we're looking at a small sample. We test more shafts and epic is holding its own. Time and time again, shaft after shaft, epic and rogue are producing similar numbers. Only thing setting them apart is consistency. My epic had some outliers but so did rogue. We decided to test a couple more shafts because we discussed the numbers and they were ideal; nothing was going to beat my epic but nothing was losing to it either. For those interested subzero wasn't tried because spin was low enough but launch staying in the 16* area kept the ball carrying farther than if I had gone to lower spin.
So I decided to stay with epic since it appears rogue is equally as good but not significantly better for my swing and game. We also ended by staying this choice includes the fact that a garage Toulon Atlanta is $$$$ and taking that into consideration, the small gains with rogue driver weren't going to change my game like the custom putter would. For those still reading here are my specs, feel free to ask any follow up questions.
For you numbers guys, have fun with mine. Grouping for shots are on the last photos and they're color coordinated
Driver rogue on top, epic on bottom
@Alez367 fantastic follow-up posts! On a personal note I cannot wait to get my hands on the Portland I pre-ordered. After seeing the picture with you holding it against the ground and seeing how small it is, it's just like my coveted 330M style of putters. I'll get an Atlanta too but need to wait until I can get it with a plumber's neck!
Anyways your fitting story was awesome thanks for taking us along for the journey! I've never been properly fit so it's cool to hear about your process. Hopefully this year will be the best year of golf you've produced!
Thanks for the detailed feedback from your fitting. I enjoyed reading through your posts. I've never been through a real detailed fitting either. It sounds like a cool experience.
What an outstanding informative write up on your fitting experience. I was particularly interested in your Rogue hybrid comments as I pre ordered a Rogue 3 hybrid with the Adilia Synergy 50 shaft but in an A flex for my swing speed. I could not be happier with my club/shaft combination and used data that I generated from a club fitting a year ago. As you stated in your write up stats don't lie. A great read for a wet cold winter day that I cannot be out on the course.